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I think the 1650 figure is the total number of Peregrine II & III cameras sold, about a quarter being the III.
Hey Ian, thanks for clarifying. I was referring to only the Peregrine III production numbers being between 300-400 because of this 80/2.8 lens. Top of the range with a hefty price tag = low sales = low production numbers. That's the general consensus online about this lens. It's a shame to think that now there's one less fully functioning Peregrine III out there.

Back to my Watson & Sons half-plate camera. I just made a discovery after removing the lens and noticing the shape of the lens board. It's the same as the Linhof/Wista. A clever previous owner has just made my life a lot easier. I can't believe my luck :cool:
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Looks like this is my camera model: https://www.photomemorabilia.co.uk/Ilford/Watson.html
 
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C.P. Goerz Am Opt must have been a relatively small operation, in terms of camera lenses. The serial number of my 1940 12" Dagor is 775,xxx. I think they may have specialised in military optics, I know they had contracts in WWI with the US army, the two sons had become US citizens a few years before, while their father's company C.P. Goerz, Berlin, supplied the German army and fledgling air force.

Ian
 
Another surprise discovery about my Watson & Sons camera is it has a Lion emblem transfer on the top which dates it to the 1950's. Too bad someone screwed a bubble level over the top! It's nowhere near as old as I thought it might be. I guess this explains the film sheaths inside the plate holders and the bellows being in such good condition.
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After WWII all Watson cameras were made by Gandolfi.

Ian
If that's the case it's a bit of a shame that someone has butchered mine but on the plus side it's very usable after the butchering and I intend to use it :p
 
Bellows replaced by a previous owner but they are in fantastic condition. The shutter has had new cloth and a tune up. Runs great and ready for action. I haven't done anything to the brass, might leave it as is with patina. My research suggests Thornton Pickard only made this model of the Imperial in half-plate size.

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Looking good! And great news about the bellows and shutter.

I don't mind a bit of patina but I'm not so fond of verdigris.
 
Bellows replaced by a previous owner but they are in fantastic condition. The shutter has had new cloth and a tune up. Runs great and ready for action. I haven't done anything to the brass, might leave it as is with patina. My research suggests Thornton Pickard only made this model of the Imperial in half-plate size.

I have the same camera, but with a slightly different focal plane shutter, similar to the 3 shown here, but built into the camera. I have 4 other FP shutters, one very early where you can adjust the slit width, and the others are the same as in the link, one Whole plate, the other two Half plate.

Your TP camera probably has the later shutter.

Ian
 
I have the same camera, but with a slightly different focal plane shutter, similar to the 3 shown here, but built into the camera. I have 4 other FP shutters, one very early where you can adjust the slit width, and the others are the same as in the link, one Whole plate, the other two Half plate.

Your TP camera probably has the later shutter.

Ian
Yes, I think mine is a later shutter. There aren't any chains or ribbons inside, the slits are cut out of the long single length of shutter fabric. There were chains in the 12x10 TP shutter I bought but there didn't seem to be any easy way to open it up without breaking some of the wood (which I didn't want to do). In the end I sold it to a collector. I've got other TP shutters coming soon.
 
Yes, I think mine is a later shutter. There aren't any chains or ribbons inside, the slits are cut out of the long single length of shutter fabric. There were chains in the 12x10 TP shutter I bought but there didn't seem to be any easy way to open it up without breaking some of the wood (which I didn't want to do). In the end I sold it to a collector. I've got other TP shutters coming soon.

You should see if one of the TP shutters can be used on the front. That would restore the camera to the original spec. I need bellows for my two TP Imperial cameras, my second is the plain double extension Imperial.

Ian
 
You should see if one of the TP shutters can be used on the front. That would restore the camera to the original spec. I need bellows for my two TP Imperial cameras, my second is the plain double extension Imperial.

Ian
I bought this model with the built in shutter to allow me not to need the shutter on the front :D. It's the same spec as in the advert I posted above.
 
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